Ben Harnwell

If you think you can win this war, do it.

If you don't, don't.

We're out.

But the second thing, Steve, and I say this one time on the show, is that I think it is astoundingly obvious, especially after the national security document of a couple of days ago.

It is no longer in America's long term interests to be a member of NATO.

I'm not saying NATO should be dissolved.

It has a purpose if it is maintained and financed by the European nations.

but america the united states has absolutely no benefit through this membership as i say occasion and i hand back to you on this point what you know you know see i think they let sweden in um for example uh you know you've got lithuania there you've got these baltic countries in what worldly scenario

Is that going to be necessary for the salvation of America in a military theater of war?

What situation is there ever going to be where America is about to bubble under?

And then they say, oh, what's that dust kicking up on the horizon?

Thank God it's the cavalry.

It's the Lithuanians.

They're coming to save us.

The whole thing, Steve, it's a hoax, this idea of pooling.

massively asymmetrically paired countries together because the risk is asymmetric.

That's the thing.

America needs to come out of NATO, encourage the Europeans to step forward, embrace with maturity their own needs, and then make that sell to the European peoples if that's what they think is going to be in their interest.

Well, the timing from Zelensky's perspective is less than optimal.

But as I said last Saturday on the show, Steve, at this point in the game, the switcheroo, the great switcheroo of Zelensky for someone who's far more credible like his former coach,