Ben Lindbergh

He did it anyway and he'd do it again. That doesn't mean that he doesn't still feel bad about it and guilty on some level. And so maybe there's part of him that is almost happy he's being punished for this finally. Like I've gotten away with this for too long. And so that is an aspect of the scene that we get because he knows and because we know and because we know that he knows that

And I enjoyed that aspect of it. I liked seeing his reaction and his resignation and acceptance of it almost. So that in some ways made up for the ways in which it does seem just a little on the nose, just this recitation of, you know, it's almost like he's in court and you're reading out what he's been accused of before you deliver the sentence, you know?

And I enjoyed that aspect of it. I liked seeing his reaction and his resignation and acceptance of it almost. So that in some ways made up for the ways in which it does seem just a little on the nose, just this recitation of, you know, it's almost like he's in court and you're reading out what he's been accused of before you deliver the sentence, you know?

And I enjoyed that aspect of it. I liked seeing his reaction and his resignation and acceptance of it almost. So that in some ways made up for the ways in which it does seem just a little on the nose, just this recitation of, you know, it's almost like he's in court and you're reading out what he's been accused of before you deliver the sentence, you know?

And it loses something in translation there, but it does gain something also. Yeah.

And it loses something in translation there, but it does gain something also. Yeah.

And it loses something in translation there, but it does gain something also. Yeah.

Yeah. Did you think, because you mentioned the nightmare sequence last time, could they have... just shown the nightmare sequence, would that have sufficed? Could they just have hinted at this more? Because they have justified this by saying, look, it's a difference in mediums. You're watching, you're not playing. You don't have this automatic identification with this person.

Yeah. Did you think, because you mentioned the nightmare sequence last time, could they have... just shown the nightmare sequence, would that have sufficed? Could they just have hinted at this more? Because they have justified this by saying, look, it's a difference in mediums. You're watching, you're not playing. You don't have this automatic identification with this person.

Yeah. Did you think, because you mentioned the nightmare sequence last time, could they have... just shown the nightmare sequence, would that have sufficed? Could they just have hinted at this more? Because they have justified this by saying, look, it's a difference in mediums. You're watching, you're not playing. You don't have this automatic identification with this person.

As a viewer, you're going to be wondering, who is this? Why are they doing this? Why am I watching this? And they might have to keep us waiting for those answers if the timeline is at all like the games. And so We get it. We understand why maybe it was necessary to make some tweaks. But could there have been more restraint?

As a viewer, you're going to be wondering, who is this? Why are they doing this? Why am I watching this? And they might have to keep us waiting for those answers if the timeline is at all like the games. And so We get it. We understand why maybe it was necessary to make some tweaks. But could there have been more restraint?

As a viewer, you're going to be wondering, who is this? Why are they doing this? Why am I watching this? And they might have to keep us waiting for those answers if the timeline is at all like the games. And so We get it. We understand why maybe it was necessary to make some tweaks. But could there have been more restraint?

Could they have showed some sort of flashback and made us do the math and conclude here's her motivation? Or maybe let's slip that, OK, she's on some sort of mission that has to do with Joel, but not fully given away the game, literally, in terms of who she is and who her father was and what happened. Like, was there a way to be more measured, more restrained?

Could they have showed some sort of flashback and made us do the math and conclude here's her motivation? Or maybe let's slip that, OK, she's on some sort of mission that has to do with Joel, but not fully given away the game, literally, in terms of who she is and who her father was and what happened. Like, was there a way to be more measured, more restrained?

Could they have showed some sort of flashback and made us do the math and conclude here's her motivation? Or maybe let's slip that, OK, she's on some sort of mission that has to do with Joel, but not fully given away the game, literally, in terms of who she is and who her father was and what happened. Like, was there a way to be more measured, more restrained?

And still give us enough that you would have the grounding and the context to appreciate what's happening.

And still give us enough that you would have the grounding and the context to appreciate what's happening.

And still give us enough that you would have the grounding and the context to appreciate what's happening.

Yeah, that's why we have five different podcasts covering the show on the Ringer Podcast Network. We've got a variety of perspectives. But yeah, it's true. It's hard to see this with fresh eyes, even if we do our best. But I think that... There is some heavy handedness.