Ben Lindbergh

And, you know, that kind of gives him pause because we have seen that in the future, as the ghoul,

Maybe he's not killing millions or billions because they've been killed already, but he is willing to go to any lengths at that stage to get back to his family, or at least that's his stated goal and the thing that is fueling him here.

So, you know, we haven't seen his transition from coop to ghoul and the final disillusionment and everything here.

But this is another, well, are they actually different at their core?

Yeah.

My wife and I have not hashed this out yet.

I feel like I need to maybe after this podcast, just hit up Jesse and we can get on the same page about how many millions slash billions of people we are willing to slaughter for Sloan, our daughter.

Still haven't decided on that, but maybe we have to hash this out, this conversation.

It might be a tough conversation.

It might be, but maybe it's overdue just in case we are presented with a moral dilemma like this and have to figure out the lengths we're willing to go to.

So Barb says, there are worse people out there than me, Coop.

And then just another just dagger to the heart, who could possibly be worse than you?

This has escalated quickly.

And, you know, I guess I'm not the worst isn't the strongest defense, maybe from his perspective, but we do shortly see whom she's referring to when she is alluding to worst people out there.

And we see a flashback, another flashback, now a different flashback timeline, flashbacks within flashbacks, to Barb, who is plotting to make a way with the cold fusion before it can fall into Robco's hands.

She has sat through one too many meetings.

She has had enough.

She has decided to rebel, perhaps, and try to disrupt the plans.

And then she enters an elevator only to find a character whose name, again, we definitely immediately remembered on last week's pod and this one, Wiltzig, a.k.a.

Ben Linus from Lost, a.k.a.