Ben Lindbergh

We get a different big progression in the sense that Dina is there to witness the murder. I mean, not literally, I guess, because she's knocked out mercifully by that point. But she's the one who's there with Joel, not Tommy. Craig Mason said one of the reasons we made a change from the game to have Joel in that room with Dina as opposed to Tommy. Who's a big, tough guy.

Abby is basically saying, make one mistake and we're going to kill her. And if there's one thing we know about Joel, it's that he's sort of the ultimate dad. We know he cares very much about Dina and that he would never let her suffer in any way, shape or form to defend herself. So that's interesting.

Abby is basically saying, make one mistake and we're going to kill her. And if there's one thing we know about Joel, it's that he's sort of the ultimate dad. We know he cares very much about Dina and that he would never let her suffer in any way, shape or form to defend herself. So that's interesting.

Abby is basically saying, make one mistake and we're going to kill her. And if there's one thing we know about Joel, it's that he's sort of the ultimate dad. We know he cares very much about Dina and that he would never let her suffer in any way, shape or form to defend herself. So that's interesting.

So it's he seems to be saying that Dina's presence made it an easier sell that Joel wouldn't resist more because if he's there with Tommy and the two of them could tag team Abby and her crew, that he might be more willing to to be reckless, to be more aggressive, to make more of an effort to save himself, which is it's kind of interesting because he doesn't really do that in the game either.

So it's he seems to be saying that Dina's presence made it an easier sell that Joel wouldn't resist more because if he's there with Tommy and the two of them could tag team Abby and her crew, that he might be more willing to to be reckless, to be more aggressive, to make more of an effort to save himself, which is it's kind of interesting because he doesn't really do that in the game either.

So it's he seems to be saying that Dina's presence made it an easier sell that Joel wouldn't resist more because if he's there with Tommy and the two of them could tag team Abby and her crew, that he might be more willing to to be reckless, to be more aggressive, to make more of an effort to save himself, which is it's kind of interesting because he doesn't really do that in the game either.

Right. And I I didn't think that much of that in the game. I mean, he takes a shotgun to the lower leg in both the game and the show, which, you know, despite Joel being a machine that does hamper his ability to stand up and fight just a tad. And then he has multiple people holding him down and he's getting beaten by a golf club. They're taking no chances with Joel.

Right. And I I didn't think that much of that in the game. I mean, he takes a shotgun to the lower leg in both the game and the show, which, you know, despite Joel being a machine that does hamper his ability to stand up and fight just a tad. And then he has multiple people holding him down and he's getting beaten by a golf club. They're taking no chances with Joel.

Right. And I I didn't think that much of that in the game. I mean, he takes a shotgun to the lower leg in both the game and the show, which, you know, despite Joel being a machine that does hamper his ability to stand up and fight just a tad. And then he has multiple people holding him down and he's getting beaten by a golf club. They're taking no chances with Joel.

So I never really thought that particularly. Like, why didn't Joel make more of a fight here? Right. But evidently, they thought that because Joel is such a juggernaut, that maybe TV viewers would find it more understandable if Dina was there to sort of cow him into not making more of a move. So I don't know. Does that really resonate for you as a rationale?

So I never really thought that particularly. Like, why didn't Joel make more of a fight here? Right. But evidently, they thought that because Joel is such a juggernaut, that maybe TV viewers would find it more understandable if Dina was there to sort of cow him into not making more of a move. So I don't know. Does that really resonate for you as a rationale?

So I never really thought that particularly. Like, why didn't Joel make more of a fight here? Right. But evidently, they thought that because Joel is such a juggernaut, that maybe TV viewers would find it more understandable if Dina was there to sort of cow him into not making more of a move. So I don't know. Does that really resonate for you as a rationale?

Yeah, there's that moment. He almost lets his guard down because he's distracted. And he's telling them, take what you want. And they're like, do we look like raiders to you? And then he has that epiphany where he actually looks at them and takes their measure and says, no, and then realizes, oh, shit, like these are not just this is not a random raid.

Yeah, there's that moment. He almost lets his guard down because he's distracted. And he's telling them, take what you want. And they're like, do we look like raiders to you? And then he has that epiphany where he actually looks at them and takes their measure and says, no, and then realizes, oh, shit, like these are not just this is not a random raid.

Yeah, there's that moment. He almost lets his guard down because he's distracted. And he's telling them, take what you want. And they're like, do we look like raiders to you? And then he has that epiphany where he actually looks at them and takes their measure and says, no, and then realizes, oh, shit, like these are not just this is not a random raid.

These people are after me and their military and their ex fireflies. And I think maybe he he even is kind of kicking himself in a sense, not literally. Again, he gets kicked plenty, too, but just like I let my guard down. Usually I'm scanning the environment for threats. And here, because I'm so focused on the threat on Jackson, I didn't realize the threat that I was getting myself into here.

These people are after me and their military and their ex fireflies. And I think maybe he he even is kind of kicking himself in a sense, not literally. Again, he gets kicked plenty, too, but just like I let my guard down. Usually I'm scanning the environment for threats. And here, because I'm so focused on the threat on Jackson, I didn't realize the threat that I was getting myself into here.

These people are after me and their military and their ex fireflies. And I think maybe he he even is kind of kicking himself in a sense, not literally. Again, he gets kicked plenty, too, but just like I let my guard down. Usually I'm scanning the environment for threats. And here, because I'm so focused on the threat on Jackson, I didn't realize the threat that I was getting myself into here.

And I do like that moment. And I think Mason even mentioned because he's staring out the window at Jackson and the fires burning there, his impulse is, I got to get back. I got to help those people. And potentially Ellie, who, as far as he knows, is under attack, too. And Ellie kind of has a different reaction where she sees the attack on Jackson going on. And her thought is, I got to get to Joel.