Ben Lindbergh

And we can tell that she's doing it for her family, like the ghoul does in the future, right?

And we see her staring at the snapshots.

of Coop and Janie and herself.

And this is why she is doing this.

This is the first indication of Barb's motivations.

And is she actually a monster or are her motivations sort of similar to our heroes or anti-heroes here?

And it's all kind of complicated and we will learn a little bit more about it.

But

You know, it's one of those not so different you and I kind of revelations where she's just gritting her teeth trying to get through this for the good of her family.

And isn't that what the ghoul is doing hundreds of years later?

Not with a picture, but maybe a mental image of Barb and Janie and how he's trying to get back to them.

as we see when he is impaled on a pole.

Yes, now that we know his name, which we always have.

So Barb is barely holding it together and she's barely holding the family together.

The family's fracturing too.

As we see in this other flashback, we get a match cut from the ghoul in the present impaled on the pole to Coop lying on his bed in old Vegas.

We are

sort of necessarily skipping around in the timelines in this podcast as well.

And this is the hard conversation that we knew was about to happen here.

Coop reminisces about his proposal to Barb on Catalina Island, remembers the sound the seagull shit made when he took a knee.