Ben Lindbergh

at ringerversegaming at gmail.com we'd like to incorporate some reader listener feedback so let us know if you have questions we will address them on a future episode and now we can just get into our breakdown of what was different what was the same we'll be focusing mainly on the Joel murder but also on the big attack on Jackson and other aspects of the episode and then we'll wrap up again by looking forward and trying to preview what could be coming next but

In the broad strokes, this was quite similar. So just to run down the same beats that were in the game and the TV show, same aftermath of the dance scene kiss. We talked last week about how that comes much later in the game. You don't actually see that scene until late in the game, whereas it's front loaded in the season here. But chronologically in the universe, it happens at the same time.

In the broad strokes, this was quite similar. So just to run down the same beats that were in the game and the TV show, same aftermath of the dance scene kiss. We talked last week about how that comes much later in the game. You don't actually see that scene until late in the game, whereas it's front loaded in the season here. But chronologically in the universe, it happens at the same time.

In the broad strokes, this was quite similar. So just to run down the same beats that were in the game and the TV show, same aftermath of the dance scene kiss. We talked last week about how that comes much later in the game. You don't actually see that scene until late in the game, whereas it's front loaded in the season here. But chronologically in the universe, it happens at the same time.

And so we see the same sort of fallout from that. There's a big storm. Ellie hunkers down in Eugene's weed den. Owen wants to leave. The other ex-fireflies are getting cold feet, literally and figuratively. They're thinking, how can we persuade Abby not to go through with this? Abby goes out scouting, runs into some buried infected, complete with the chain link fence, close call.

And so we see the same sort of fallout from that. There's a big storm. Ellie hunkers down in Eugene's weed den. Owen wants to leave. The other ex-fireflies are getting cold feet, literally and figuratively. They're thinking, how can we persuade Abby not to go through with this? Abby goes out scouting, runs into some buried infected, complete with the chain link fence, close call.

And so we see the same sort of fallout from that. There's a big storm. Ellie hunkers down in Eugene's weed den. Owen wants to leave. The other ex-fireflies are getting cold feet, literally and figuratively. They're thinking, how can we persuade Abby not to go through with this? Abby goes out scouting, runs into some buried infected, complete with the chain link fence, close call.

Again, that's almost shot for shot. Joel rides in. He had left on an early patrol. He saves her. He then gets delivered right into the ex-Firefly's hands. Abby brutally beats him to death with a golf club while Ellie watches and vows revenge. So all that, similar. much like the big hospital scene and the big lie at the end of season one were.

Again, that's almost shot for shot. Joel rides in. He had left on an early patrol. He saves her. He then gets delivered right into the ex-Firefly's hands. Abby brutally beats him to death with a golf club while Ellie watches and vows revenge. So all that, similar. much like the big hospital scene and the big lie at the end of season one were.

Again, that's almost shot for shot. Joel rides in. He had left on an early patrol. He saves her. He then gets delivered right into the ex-Firefly's hands. Abby brutally beats him to death with a golf club while Ellie watches and vows revenge. So all that, similar. much like the big hospital scene and the big lie at the end of season one were.

However, there were some major deviations here, and I think they're really interesting to discuss. First, let's talk about the timing, because we were wondering, would they hold back? And ultimately, they didn't. And I celebrate that. I'm glad that they didn't. We thought, would you be tempted because you have Pedro Pascal and you have this character people care about?

However, there were some major deviations here, and I think they're really interesting to discuss. First, let's talk about the timing, because we were wondering, would they hold back? And ultimately, they didn't. And I celebrate that. I'm glad that they didn't. We thought, would you be tempted because you have Pedro Pascal and you have this character people care about?

However, there were some major deviations here, and I think they're really interesting to discuss. First, let's talk about the timing, because we were wondering, would they hold back? And ultimately, they didn't. And I celebrate that. I'm glad that they didn't. We thought, would you be tempted because you have Pedro Pascal and you have this character people care about?

Are you going to make us wait until later in the season? And they didn't do it.

Are you going to make us wait until later in the season? And they didn't do it.

Are you going to make us wait until later in the season? And they didn't do it.

Yeah. Neil Druckmann said, even in the game, there's like an hour or something before you get to this moment. But we also knew it needed to be early enough because this is the inciting incident for this story. So, yes, we always pick every permutation. They considered every option.

Yeah. Neil Druckmann said, even in the game, there's like an hour or something before you get to this moment. But we also knew it needed to be early enough because this is the inciting incident for this story. So, yes, we always pick every permutation. They considered every option.

Yeah. Neil Druckmann said, even in the game, there's like an hour or something before you get to this moment. But we also knew it needed to be early enough because this is the inciting incident for this story. So, yes, we always pick every permutation. They considered every option.

But the later it got in the season, it just felt like we were kind of dragging our feet instead of getting to the meat of what the story is about. And I think that would have been palpable. If they had held this out for episode three or even later, we might have sensed that spinning of wheels a little bit.