Ben Mandelker

And we're pushing through it, though, guys.

And I think with some good counseling, I think we're getting on the other end of it.

It's like, oh, who is your counselor?

Kathy Dennis.

Kathy Dennis.

She just keeps singing Too Many Walls over and over again.

And finally we're like, Too Many Walls.

She's on to something.

i just don't know how i'd be able to like tell my tell friends with a straight face like like i'm seeing montel jordan and he may be a hundred percent qualified i just don't know i could be like who is your counselor montel jordan it's just such a funny concept to me

But then I think I'm also like a little jealous because also it would be really cool to be like, yeah, guys, I got counts with Montel Jordan.

I'll see you in about 10 minutes.

10 minutes.

Well, I'm 50 minutes into my session and I'm texting people.

So it was a full session, guys.

i like a therapist who has done the schooling and like is up on all the all the academic principles and this is just a choice thing because people go to different people for different help but i don't i've never been like a fan of like so here's a couple and they'll tell you how to be a couple also it's like when heather and terry dubrow did it

Or wasn't it?

Married to Medicine was happening.

Well, they do it every week, every season with a couple's trip.

But for a while they had like a couple's, they had like a couple's moment, right?

Where they would all like share with each other, like check-ins.