Ben McKenzie

It's not just the gambling.

It's also the crime.

There's an enormous amount of crime that's facilitated by cryptocurrency.

It's gambling and crime.

Those are the only two use cases.

So last year, a company issued a report, a crypto company, estimating that I think it was $150 billion of illegal activity was facilitated via cryptocurrency last year in 2025.

$150 billion.

That's a lot of effing crime.

And that's a crypto company that's making that estimate.

So I'm going to say that's possibly on the low end of the estimation.

Right.

It's a lot of crime.

It's everything from I mean, give you just one example.

It's Russian oligarchs selling sanctioned oil to the Chinese via crypto in exchange for drones that they can send to Ukraine.

It's North Korean hackers who steal crypto and have funded half of the North Korean nuclear weapons program.

It is an astounding level of crime.

And the worst people in the world have benefited from this, including Jeffrey Epstein, who it was revealed in some of the recent files, was a secret funder of Bitcoin development via the MIT Media Lab 2015.

So there's only two things that you're interested in crypto.

You're either trying to get rich because you're gambling and whatever.

We can argue over that, how much you should be allowed to do that or what the rules should be or whatever.