Ben Meiselas

what he's actually doing.

And the thing is, when you try to assess what he's doing, he's fine with quite literally doing the exact opposite the other day than he did the day before.

And then when he has you so deep down into the cult, you're already right there.

So

to the extent you go against the cult, he sticks the cult on you, and then you feel like you're under attack or you're going to lose a job or whatever, or you're just so far down the rabbit hole that you might as well keep going down because it's so embarrassing to admit that you're not, or you see what happens when people like Marjorie Taylor Greene and Thomas Massey and others start saying it.

But the reality is that

even right now the complex part about me covering and i'll show you this a little bit when you come back from the break like trump will say something now as it relates to the middle east that america shouldn't be involved and why would we why would we continue to go to war if that causes a depression and all these tough guys out there want us to be involved in a never-ending war really you want to be the person to take responsibility for a depression you want to be the person to be there when we have oil lines or no oil we can't let that happen i listen to that personally

And I'm opening up to the audience, I'm being vulnerable.

I go, whoa, what he said there at that moment,

How do I feel?

Because I actually, whatever that segment was, I'm in agreement with that, but he's a fraud.

And he's just saying that because he's desperate.

And when he's a cornered rat, he'll say anything to dig out of it, including, I think the Iranians are great people.

You know, he changes the whole thing from these are radical extremists who all need to die to, I think they're strong and powerful people.

He doesn't, it's pure survive.

When I hear JD Vance say,

speak up and seem like he's standing up against Netanyahu and Netanyahu blowing up buildings in Lebanon.

And J.D.

Vance will say something like, well, what's your game plan?

You're just going to try to kill everybody?