Ben Meiselas

Do not put your trust in this man because he believes in nothing except his own survival.

And the only reason he even ran for president in the first place was because he was terrified of going to prison and this was a way out.

So he used his cult and he used all of you and he divided and he conquered and he went group to group to group and told them all what they wanted to hear, all so that he could avoid being in prison for the rest of his life.

And I will say that worked out for him.

but it's not looking so good for him right now, and he is not looking good right now.

It's why you got to ground things in values and principles.

and try to set aside tribal politics and just call out is this right or is this wrong is there a genocide in gaza yes are they bombing lebanon and slaughtering people and want to do more atrocity yes is that bad yes do you call it out absolutely do you call it out if hezbollah is attacking you know in israel and you say is is that wrong you say yes you call you call out what's wrong you you have to have

Again, a foundation of values and principles.

When they're out there attacking unions, are you okay with that?

No, you can't be okay with that.

When they're attacking marginalized communities and transgender people and bullying people, are you going to go, well, I think voters like that in 2024.

Donald Trump put out an ad that said, you know, she's with they, them and not with us.

No, you

you don't fall into that trap you go you know what we do we stand up for people we stand up for marginalized we fight for people you stand for something or you fall for everything that's what life has to be about what's the point of living in this life if you truly stand for nothing and you're just basically being you know led into the abyss by a psychopath like donald trump and it's what i always say

Brett, to your point, too, with these like right wing billionaire oligarchs, really, you don't have enough money that you are going to just allow yourself to be pulled into this direction and to cataclysmic consequences, because the moment he lifts you up and puts you in the White House, he can just as equally crush you.

And it goes in the opposite direction.

And you're setting a whole framework for that to occur in the destruction ultimately that you've ushered in of any type of predictability or accountability in the underlying system.

Anyway, we have a lot more to discuss.

We'll take our last quick break of the show when we come back.

I want to chat about what some of these voters are out there feeling.