Ben Meiselas

Isn't that fascinating that

Iran has a real person who actually is an art of the deal and the U.S.

has like an art of the fraud person.

It's a fascinating dynamic because Araghchi, if you go to his background, he's been writing these treatises and books and he teaches negotiation.

He's actually a well-respected foreign diplomat and he's been a leader of Iran for a very long time.

The Ayatollah's son is now in charge as the spiritual leader.

The IRGC is still there.

So it's just when Trump says these things, it's just it's counterfactual.

Now, if you want to say that these people were rational before and that you find the current negotiating posture more rational, I don't know.

I mean, just I think we the people can understand like we're not stupid.

We're not stupid.

I mean, maybe some people are.

Not us.

I mean, the people who were clapping when the UFC fighter said Michelle Obama's a man, I don't know how to ever get in touch with those.

I'm not fully sure how to ever interact with those people validly.

And I'm not trying to be like a party pooper, right?

I'm not trying to be like, let's not have fun or UFC sucks.

No, I mean, personally, I don't like UFC.

I like...

football or in the United States, we call it soccer.