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Ben (narrator/author of the LessWrong post)

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LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
“Momentum of Light in Glass” by Ben

But it remains my impression.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
“Momentum of Light in Glass” by Ben

I think it's because doing the sort of physics Einstein famously did, looking to replace foundational theories, is perceived partly as a status claim, so when someone comes up with a weird new theory to replace general relativity it is not enough to label them wrong, assuming they are, but the extra label crank is appended.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
“Momentum of Light in Glass” by Ben

Taking any stance on Abraham Minkowski lands you squarely in the foundational theory work.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
“Momentum of Light in Glass” by Ben

If I am right about this we have something wrong with our science culture, where people are pushed away from the places of genuine disagreement, which by any reasonable standard are the places most in need of study.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
“Momentum of Light in Glass” by Ben

To summarize our options.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
“Momentum of Light in Glass” by Ben

Here's a list of bullet points.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
“Momentum of Light in Glass” by Ben

Abraham does Newton's momentum, Minkowski Heisenberg's, with the caveat that we use the group index for Newton and the phase index for Heisenberg.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
“Momentum of Light in Glass” by Ben

Abraham does the purely electromagnetic component of the momentum.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
“Momentum of Light in Glass” by Ben

Minkowski also includes the material contribution, 1.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
“Momentum of Light in Glass” by Ben

Abraham does the purely electromagnetic component of the momentum.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
“Momentum of Light in Glass” by Ben

But the multiplier for the momentum, including material contributions, is a different expression altogether.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
“Momentum of Light in Glass” by Ben

Here's a formula.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
“Momentum of Light in Glass” by Ben

Minkowski is just wrong.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
“Momentum of Light in Glass” by Ben

It's a matter of convention how to partition the momentum between the light and the background matter in which it propagates, and any division, however arbitrary, is equally acceptable, including the Abraham and Minkowski equations.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
“Momentum of Light in Glass” by Ben

What stance should be taken on the value of the total momentum and which direction the glass block is expected to move is unclear.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
“Momentum of Light in Glass” by Ben

Abraham was just right 100 years ago.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
“Momentum of Light in Glass” by Ben

Why are we still debating this?

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
“Momentum of Light in Glass” by Ben

Minkowski was just right 100 years ago, why are we still debating this?

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
“Momentum of Light in Glass” by Ben

Depending on who you ask they might also tell you for good measure that Abraham was a complete hack who never got anything right in his whole career, and certainly not this.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
“Momentum of Light in Glass” by Ben

The momentum is actually given by some totally different expression.