Ben Nye

I think it's just slightly ahead of that, but yeah, roughly.

Yes, I was.

I've been since the very get go.

OK, well, a couple of things.

One is there's actually been three CEOs.

The founder was the first CEO and then we hired a career CEO.

Um, there was a point at which the company was outgrowing him.

Meaning for hire CEO, non-founder CEO.

Came from a strategic partner.

In this case, I think it was Citrix.

And so they got to a point where they said, okay, now we need to really step up the execution.

There were some issues between the founder and the CEO hire.

And and so that's that was the time when the board made its decision and asked me to step in on an interim basis, which I agreed to, partly because of my history with the company, going all the way back to the conceptualization of it and and funding of it.

And then also just because, you know, somebody had to do it.

And so.

And what happened was, you know, you fall in love in these things.

And this is such a big idea and such a great company.

I ultimately decided it was important to to run it.

Well, so, yeah, there's there's obviously in in the most obvious case, there's a typically a one year cliff vest on on anybody that's hired into the company.

So make sure that you're you're hiring well.