Ben Nye

But to the extent, you know, inevitably there'll be churn as you build the life of the company.

There will be some passive equity in that company.

I think the biggest thing we do is try and keep those who are super talented focused in building the value of the company and knowing that that equity value will be best served and will grow the fastest by virtue of their continued commitment to the company.

But from time to time, the company has retired employees.

passive shares.

And there's typically a thing called an investor rights agreement that governs the way in which that is executed.

And indeed, we've done that as well, just to keep more equity in more active hands.

Uh, it's a voluntary choice, but we have, we have done that in the past when people have wanted to sell, because I think we're big believers in, um, in the prospects of the company.

Sure.

Well, what it does is no less than it's where the control system, real time and autonomic, meaning self-managing, self-organizing control system for the hybrid cloud.

So if you think about, you know, a lot of workloads, there's 194 million workloads in 2016 between that which run on prem or premises and.

and that which runs in the public cloud and we have the capability to provide enhanced performance and also greater operating and capital efficiencies in both realms as well as the ability to traverse the two realms and bring them into one so it's a really big opportunity in terms of where those

where the market's headed.

Yeah.

So we actually let the, for the, the, these two sort of sectors, the on-prem and the offer actually very dissimilar in how they've evolved.

So the first one was more of a infrastructure,

and hardware-centric sale around what's called per socket and per core-based pricing.

And then when you go to the off-premises world, the public cloud, what's interesting there is you don't have exposure to see the, or count the sockets, right?

So you basically work it on virtualized or containerized workloads.

Well, so we are not a SaaS company.