Ben Owen

I get that.

I get that.

Yep. I guess I actually can relate to that more than I thought I could when you first said it because I used to do that with heroin. When I was trying to quit, I would – I would keep a little bit knowing it's there. It's there. If the withdrawals get to be too much, if today gets to be too much, it's there. I can do it. The problem, of course, was that I always did it. So I do get that. Yeah.

Yep. I guess I actually can relate to that more than I thought I could when you first said it because I used to do that with heroin. When I was trying to quit, I would – I would keep a little bit knowing it's there. It's there. If the withdrawals get to be too much, if today gets to be too much, it's there. I can do it. The problem, of course, was that I always did it. So I do get that. Yeah.

Yep. I guess I actually can relate to that more than I thought I could when you first said it because I used to do that with heroin. When I was trying to quit, I would – I would keep a little bit knowing it's there. It's there. If the withdrawals get to be too much, if today gets to be too much, it's there. I can do it. The problem, of course, was that I always did it. So I do get that. Yeah.

Well, back to childhood. What kind of stuff were you into as a kid? Dude, I had like the most idyllic childhood ever. from my perspective, uh, and outside looking in. Um, I did Boy Scouts, you know, I tried to play sports to impress my dad, but I sucked at all of them.

Well, back to childhood. What kind of stuff were you into as a kid? Dude, I had like the most idyllic childhood ever. from my perspective, uh, and outside looking in. Um, I did Boy Scouts, you know, I tried to play sports to impress my dad, but I sucked at all of them.

Well, back to childhood. What kind of stuff were you into as a kid? Dude, I had like the most idyllic childhood ever. from my perspective, uh, and outside looking in. Um, I did Boy Scouts, you know, I tried to play sports to impress my dad, but I sucked at all of them.

Um, I was, I was really good at, at being an outdoors kid, you know, hunting, fishing, uh, land nav, or orienteering, as we call it in Scouts. I did Scouts. My dad was our Scoutmaster, um, until we moved to California and Scouts got weird out there. So we stopped, but, uh, I was almost Eagle, whatever it was, Star or Life, right below Eagle Scout. Um, I loved anything and everything outdoors.

Um, I was, I was really good at, at being an outdoors kid, you know, hunting, fishing, uh, land nav, or orienteering, as we call it in Scouts. I did Scouts. My dad was our Scoutmaster, um, until we moved to California and Scouts got weird out there. So we stopped, but, uh, I was almost Eagle, whatever it was, Star or Life, right below Eagle Scout. Um, I loved anything and everything outdoors.

Um, I was, I was really good at, at being an outdoors kid, you know, hunting, fishing, uh, land nav, or orienteering, as we call it in Scouts. I did Scouts. My dad was our Scoutmaster, um, until we moved to California and Scouts got weird out there. So we stopped, but, uh, I was almost Eagle, whatever it was, Star or Life, right below Eagle Scout. Um, I loved anything and everything outdoors.

I loved going on bike rides, mountain biking, catching animals. That was like my obsession for a long time was reptiles, venomous snakes, alligators, literally catching alligators.

I loved going on bike rides, mountain biking, catching animals. That was like my obsession for a long time was reptiles, venomous snakes, alligators, literally catching alligators.

I loved going on bike rides, mountain biking, catching animals. That was like my obsession for a long time was reptiles, venomous snakes, alligators, literally catching alligators.

Oh, hell yeah.

Oh, hell yeah.

Oh, hell yeah.

I think the last one I caught, I was 18 or 19. When did it start? How young? Probably 11 or 12. These weren't big alligators. I mean, they're little, you know. We lived in Jackson, Mississippi for seven years. That was the longest stretch in childhood I ever lived in one place. It was Rankin County, Mississippi, outside of Jackson, on this big lake, man-made lake called the Ross Burnett Reservoir.

I think the last one I caught, I was 18 or 19. When did it start? How young? Probably 11 or 12. These weren't big alligators. I mean, they're little, you know. We lived in Jackson, Mississippi for seven years. That was the longest stretch in childhood I ever lived in one place. It was Rankin County, Mississippi, outside of Jackson, on this big lake, man-made lake called the Ross Burnett Reservoir.

I think the last one I caught, I was 18 or 19. When did it start? How young? Probably 11 or 12. These weren't big alligators. I mean, they're little, you know. We lived in Jackson, Mississippi for seven years. That was the longest stretch in childhood I ever lived in one place. It was Rankin County, Mississippi, outside of Jackson, on this big lake, man-made lake called the Ross Burnett Reservoir.