Ben Port (Ben Skull)

And we'd have like, you know, three cell phones, four cell phones, different stuff.

It was just always look legit.

Yeah, we looked legit.

Like we were just running, you know, the SEC wasn't how they are now.

And the OTC and the pink sheet market was just unregulated.

So it was just the wild west.

I met a guy.

Is it regulated now?

I think they're trying to shut it down.

You know, there's still a lot of good companies on there.

And I don't, I mean, I'm kind of removed out of that game now.

But I'm sure there's still a bunch of fraud going on.

And so, yeah, basically, it was a whole chain of things.

Basically, you'd get these, you know, CEO.

You'd have somebody behind the CEO that was like, you know, a mob guy or like a serious person.

The CEO would be like the straw man and just be, you know…

I'd be working with him, but we didn't know the people who were in the background.

So a lot of times we found out after the case or if the stock didn't go the way that they wanted.

Then we'd get, like, threats.

And in 2008, my wife moved in.