Ben Rhodes

Over 10 years now, John.

10 years?

Over 10 years.

Yeah.

Well, I've had to do my breathing exercises and work on my serenity, if you remember the bruising debate over the JCPOA.

And look, I think the couple of things I would highlight about this is, first of all, when we looked at this problem, right?

Let's just take the Iranian nuclear program.

And we should put aside the fact that Trump clearly thought he was also going to change the Iranian regime with this war.

And nobody talks about that anymore.

But when we looked at this problem,

We basically determined there are two ways that you could prevent Iran from getting a nuclear weapon.

One is through a nuclear deal in which they agree to accept restrictions on their program, inspections on the program, but they're not going to dismantle their entire program.

They just weren't going to do that.

Or you could try to bomb their program out of existence.

Every scenario that we looked at, every scenario we looked at, we wargamed it.

We were briefed by Bibi Netanyahu on what a great idea it would be to bomb the Iranian nuclear program.

We got the same version of the same presentation Trump did.

Here's a very consistent version.

briefing on that.

Yes, it's very consistent.