Ben Rhodes

And so this is Marta Van Ramsdunk.

She is the Iran country director for the Norwegian Refugee Council.

And here's just a little bit of what she told us life in Tehran is like right now.

And the latest estimates that we've seen, by the way, do show that at least 1,500 Iranian civilians have been killed so far.

I respect your passion because it's true.

Well, I also think that's just always the problem with a lot of our military exploits as a country, right?

Is we just tend to be geographically, physically, in many ways, economically isolated and removed from it.

This is my very awkward segue into the next clip I was going to play for you, Ben, because I didn't expect for you to go on such an impassioned rant before.

No, I'm really glad you did it because I've been thinking and feeling the same thing all the time.

And it's why I think that

Hearing firsthand accounts are so important, right?

And it's one of the things that we talk about this all the time with press not allowed into Gaza that we miss, right?

Without a lot of more reporters in Iran, it's the thing that you're missing, which is seeing people who are just living absolutely normal lives a month ago.

Just like you and me.

Yeah, who right now are completely uprooted.

And, you know, I was listening to a report on BBC just this morning and they were talking about like there's these newborns who are four or five days old and these people used to have homes with all the toys for their kids.

And now, as you mentioned, you know, they're living in a tent and it's not the environment you would want to bring kids into.

I want to play this clip for you, which was actually done for the Jesse Waters show on Fox News of American Spring Breakers.

Yeah.

So let's just I guess for a little levity, let's check it out.