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Trump Begs Allies to Clean Up Iran Mess

01 Apr 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

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123.64 - 129.752 Ben Rhodes

Welcome to Pod Save the World. I'm Alona Minkowski. And I'm Ben Rhodes. Tommy Vietor is spring breaking with his family.

129.772 - 131.996 Nika Kovacs

I mean, I hope he's having a great time.

Chapter 2: What are the contradictions in Trump's approach to Iran?

892.64 - 916.163 Nika Kovacs

Yeah, we made the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps hold 20% of the world's energy hostage. If we walk away from that, And our only solution is to ask like the Royal Navy, as Pete XS said, the big bad British Navy, like as if it's, you know, the 19th century. Like those countries are not going to bail Trump out because he's treated them like shit because he's tariffed them. He's insulted them.

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916.183 - 934.887 Nika Kovacs

He's humiliated them. He's threatened to invade Greenland. Why would they come bail Trump out by opening up the strait? And by the way, even if they decided they want to do that. Do you know how long it would take the Europeans to put together some naval armada to then go down to the Strait of Hormuz and escort tankers? Like months. So none of this makes any sense.

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Chapter 3: How is the military buildup affecting the situation in the Middle East?

935.508 - 952.611 Nika Kovacs

And meanwhile, while it's happening, Trump is deploying the 82nd Airborne and all these special forces to the region. So maybe he's just saying all these things about peace to calm markets, but we're going to have ground troops. We just don't know at this point. And that is terrifying, given the scale of the crisis that we're in, that-

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952.591 - 958.217 Nika Kovacs

People that follow this as closely as we do can make no sense of what the hell is going on.

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958.237 - 979.439 Ben Rhodes

Yeah. And it's something we'll discuss more in terms of the ground troops, in terms of the impacts for people in the region. There's a projection from the UN development program. It said one month of this war could plunge 4 million more people across the Arab world into poverty and shave off up to 6% of the region's economic output during that time. And that's just one month of the war.

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979.519 - 993.279 Ben Rhodes

We're in week five now. of this war. And that's, you know, that's not including all the other global economic impacts that we've talked about on the show and especially last week in our interview. I mean, obviously something is happening, right? Like there were 20 Pakistani oil tankers that were let through.

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993.359 - 1009.783 Ben Rhodes

So somebody's talking to the Iranians, but as you mentioned, maybe it's not bilateral talks. I can see how it's also not, you know, the Iranians would want to project an image of strength probably to their people and not say that they're negotiating with the U.S., even if they were. But

1009.763 - 1028.903 Ben Rhodes

Either way, it's just it's so demoralizing to see that nobody really has an idea of what's happening, who's in charge. And so another thing that I want to bring up, though, is the notion of regime change. It used to be focused on bringing some kind of democracy right to the Iranian people. Right.

1028.883 - 1042.843 Ben Rhodes

First of all, Moshtaba Khamenei, the former Ayatollah's son, who's now been put in charge, she hasn't been seen or heard from. The Russian ambassador to Iran did say that rumors that he was being treated in Russia are untrue and that he's in Iran, but obviously avoiding public appearances.

1043.584 - 1051.916 Ben Rhodes

But I don't know if you've noticed, Ben, suddenly the line from the administration is that regime change has already happened. It's happened miraculously. Yeah, we have a clip of that. Let's take a listen.

1052.057 - 1076.72 Pete Hegseth

We're doing extremely well in that negotiation, but you never know with Iran because... We negotiate with them, and then we always have to blow them up. But we've had regime change, if you look already, because the one regime was decimated, destroyed. They're all dead. The next regime is mostly dead. And the third regime would deal with different people than anybody's dealt with before.

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