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of Uganda, who's constantly making threats online.

He's threatened to kill opposition figures.

He's threatened to invade Kenya.

What is the current state of President Museveni and kind of his succession plan and his approach to politics based on your time with him?

That raises the question, though, whether that's how people see it, which gets to the opposition and also just the people of Uganda.

Bobby Wine is 43.

He kind of comes out of the arts there, a musician who went into politics, generated a lot of excitement, showed a lot of personal courage by staying in the country when he kind of could have chosen the path of exile.

But as you pointed out, 70% of Uganda is under 30, right?

He may be paternalistic, but it's hard to imagine an 81-year-old kind of being in touch with the concerns of the 70% of his people that are young.

What is your sense of – is it fatalism that this is just the way things are?

Is it anger?

Is there any hope of changing things through politics?

Do they want the –

anything out of the international community, which doesn't really exist anymore.

What's your sense of that younger population and what's next for this opposition movement that has now tried this with Bobby Wine twice, through no fault of his own, really, just kind of can't do things through democratic means?

What's the mood, do you think, among younger Ugandans?

Well, look, I think that's a very important and powerful picture.

And I think you're kind of describing this moment where the balance is really tipped in this kind of strongman direction.

Museveni, Kagame in Rwanda, you know, Ruto in Kenya.

But we go to Cameroon.