Ben Rhodes

Obviously, that's disputed by Bobby Wan in the opposition.

Museveni, in his victory speech, called the opposition terrorists who were working with foreigners and homosexuals.

I guess one place need to start, I mean,

That 72% figure, I mean, is there any sense of legitimacy around it?

I know we can't get any kind of independent tally here, but what is your sense of the likelihood that that number matches any reality?

So I want to ask about both the government and the opposition.

Starting with the government, you actually sat down with President Museveni a few days ago.

I should add, you know, he's been backed over the years by the United States, I think, much to our discredit in a lot of ways.

The African Union kind of defers to him.

I noticed they didn't exactly, you know, mount any

concerns about the result.

But Museveni, I noticed in the talk with you, he even went out of his way to say that he's not senile.

I will tell you, Yusra, I was in a meeting with him 10 years ago.

It was a multilateral meeting held in Ethiopia about South Sudan.

And in that meeting, he wasn't

I mean, I don't want to – I will resist being a doctor, but let's just say he wasn't the sharpest guy at the roundtable that I was at.

He had to kind of be reminded of some of the agenda and stuff.

What is your sense of his faculties, what he's trying to do?

He has a son.

who's kind of the Don Jr.