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Ben Rhodes

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Pod Save the World
Breaking: America and Israel at War with Iran

But putting that aside for the moment, I think the headline here is that this is the regime change war.

Pod Save the World
Breaking: America and Israel at War with Iran

And we've walked up to this precipice with Trump like several times.

Pod Save the World
Breaking: America and Israel at War with Iran

And each time he took a more limited action, whether it was assassinating Qasem Soleimani or whether it was the 12-day war when he bombed nuclear sites principally.

Pod Save the World
Breaking: America and Israel at War with Iran

But this is clearly based on rhetoric and targets, like an effort to change the Iranian regime.

Pod Save the World
Breaking: America and Israel at War with Iran

Now, the problem with that, though, is that even though that's clear,

Pod Save the World
Breaking: America and Israel at War with Iran

Nothing is clear about what the end game is, right?

Pod Save the World
Breaking: America and Israel at War with Iran

Even if the Supreme Leader is killed, the Iranian regime is a very deep regime.

Pod Save the World
Breaking: America and Israel at War with Iran

He mentioned the IRGC, the police, and the military.

Pod Save the World
Breaking: America and Israel at War with Iran

That's millions of people who are under arms in the Iranian regime.

Pod Save the World
Breaking: America and Israel at War with Iran

And so whether this devolves into civil conflict and chaos, or whether some IRGC-led regime emerges, we have no greater clarity today than we did before this began about how the US sees this thing ending.

Pod Save the World
Breaking: America and Israel at War with Iran

And we do see already some of the consequences that could come from this war.

Pod Save the World
Breaking: America and Israel at War with Iran

We're only one day in, but we've already seen Iran, unlike last time where they showed some pretty calibrated restraint.

Pod Save the World
Breaking: America and Israel at War with Iran

It seems like they're firing missiles in all directions.

Pod Save the World
Breaking: America and Israel at War with Iran

They're trying to exact a cost on the Gulf countries for hosting U.S.

Pod Save the World
Breaking: America and Israel at War with Iran

bases or just to kind of create a sense that if we burn, you burn too.

Pod Save the World
Breaking: America and Israel at War with Iran

They're launching missiles at not just bases, at Israel as well.

Pod Save the World
Breaking: America and Israel at War with Iran

And so we're seeing the beginning of what could be a kind of regionalization of this conflict.

Pod Save the World
Breaking: America and Israel at War with Iran

And so this is a very dangerous moment.

Pod Save the World
Breaking: America and Israel at War with Iran

And I have no reassurance from Trump or anybody around him that there's a plan for how to land this plane beyond we're going to go in there and destroy as much of this regime as we can before it becomes kind of almost politically unsustainable for us to be bombing this country.

Pod Save the World
Breaking: America and Israel at War with Iran

Then we'll stop.