Ben Rhodes

But you also make the point that the U.S.

doing this in conjunction with Israel is

you know, the publics in these countries will surely be mad at Iran for what they're doing.

But also I think we'll blame Israel, who there's no love for in the region, as well as the United States for launching this war.

And essentially the sense that the US and Israel are involved in kind of a strategy of creating chaos in the region.

you know, that whether it's the strikes in Lebanon or Syria or Yemen or now Iran, that there's this kind of moving wrecking ball of chaos that is harming people.

And we should be, you know, that school, I guarantee you the number one image of the war being consumed around the world

well, if not number one, it's certainly up there, is the image of those parents screaming because they lost their children in that school.

It's a horrifying video.

And so look, so in a weird way, Iran is kind of reinforcing the chaos strategy.

It's like, see, look what's happening.

We have no choice but to kind of pour gasoline on this fire that was set.

And again, it's going to make them a lot of enemies.

But I think that they're

Their view is like, we have to set as many fires as we can to make this war feel as uncomfortable for people as we can.

But to me, the ultimate future of the war will be determined inside of Iran, inside the politics of Iran.

And that we don't know how that's going to play out at all.

Yeah, I mean, this is going to be a real cleavage inside of his coalition, right?

I mean, this is, again, it's not a secondary issue for a lot of people.

You know, Tucker Carlson, Steve Bannon, I mean, really the leading lights, such as they are, of MAGA.