Ben Rhodes

There's very little hope.

Everything that has been, you know, every potential opening has been snuffed out on the government side.

And then in the first Trump administration, with the help of the Trump administration.

So all the tools that people had for making their lives a little bit better under these extreme conditions have been shut off one after another, which is why 2 million people left after the COVID epidemic.

Everything.

It's everything.

Yeah.

Yeah.

They will prioritize, I think, the healthcare and so forth.

But look, these are tiny stopgap measures.

So to your other question, when do we get to that magical point where the population has had enough and there's this uprising and the outbreak of democracy?

Well,

I guess we're going to find out because if we kind of keep going forward with this, then we potentially get to a situation where the economy is fully broken down and there's no economic activity taking place.

And essentially what we have is Haiti.

90 miles from the United States.

And so then – It just feels unprecedented, right?

I think that that is what they're trying to do is trying to see if they can –

force some kind of action out of the government by bringing that entire economy to a standstill.

And you can say it's for the purpose of bringing about a better Cuba.

And I think a lot of Cubans are done with this government.