Ben Rhodes

He may be paternalistic, but it's hard to imagine an 81-year-old kind of being in touch with the concerns of the 70% of his people that are young.

What is your sense of – is it fatalism that this is just the way things are?

Is it anger?

Is there any hope of changing things through politics?

Do they want the –

anything out of the international community, which doesn't really exist anymore.

What's your sense of that younger population and what's next for this opposition movement that has now tried this with Bobby Wine twice, through no fault of his own, really, just kind of can't do things through democratic means?

What's the mood, do you think, among younger Ugandans?

Well, look, I think that's a very important and powerful picture.

And I think you're kind of describing this moment where the balance is really tipped in this kind of strongman direction.

Museveni, Kagame in Rwanda, you know, Ruto in Kenya.

But we go to Cameroon.

But frankly, we go to Iran.

We go to the United States.

We go to Russia.

This is not just limited Africa.

But it does feel like...

at some point, something has to give here.

You know, like these people are not going to live forever.

Gen Z is growing.