Ben Rhodes

The African Union kind of defers to him.

I noticed they didn't exactly, you know, mount any

concerns about the result.

But Museveni, I noticed in the talk with you, he even went out of his way to say that he's not senile.

I will tell you, Yusra, I was in a meeting with him 10 years ago.

It was a multilateral meeting held in Ethiopia about South Sudan.

And in that meeting, he wasn't

I mean, I don't want to – I will resist being a doctor, but let's just say he wasn't the sharpest guy at the roundtable that I was at.

He had to kind of be reminded of some of the agenda and stuff.

What is your sense of his faculties, what he's trying to do?

He has a son.

who's kind of the Don Jr.

of Uganda, who's constantly making threats online.

He's threatened to kill opposition figures.

He's threatened to invade Kenya.

What is the current state of President Museveni and kind of his succession plan and his approach to politics based on your time with him?

That raises the question, though, whether that's how people see it, which gets to the opposition and also just the people of Uganda.

Bobby Wine is 43.

He kind of comes out of the arts there, a musician who went into politics, generated a lot of excitement, showed a lot of personal courage by staying in the country when he kind of could have chosen the path of exile.

But as you pointed out, 70% of Uganda is under 30, right?