Ben Rhodes

And there's a lot of violence in the octagon too, if we're being honest here.

Then you're going to hear my interview with our friend Jason Rezaian.

Jason was the Tehran bureau chief for the Washington Post until July of 2014, when the Iranian regime, a bunch of goons, arrested him and ultimately held him hostage for 544 days.

Jason and I talk about his view of the protests.

As someone who's lived in and reported on Iran, he's Iranian American.

He's got lots of friends and family and contacts still in the country.

And then we talk about his ordeal in Iranian detention and the incredible diplomacy that you were a part of then.

During the Obama days that got him out.

The story is documented in Jason's truly excellent podcast 544 days, which I just can't recommend enough because it's an amazing story in its own right.

And it's also like newly relevant in this moment as we're all looking at Iran and trying to kind of understand the machinations in the regime.

Do you think – Although the Israelis bombed it.

Yeah, they bombed it.

Yeah, which – Killing a bunch of prisoners.

Yeah, good question.

I do want to say a quick thank you to all of our listeners and the viewers out there.

We did this YouTube exclusive episode last week on Trump's rambling, bizarre two and a half hour New York Times interview where he said that only his own morality can constrain him on foreign policy.

Check that out if you haven't.

Not at all ominous there.

That episode got us to 200,000 subscribers on YouTube for Pod Save the World.

Not bad, Ben.