Ben Rhodes

So Ben, on one level, it's not the biggest deal, right?

They moved to summit today.

But when you think about like kind of the cascading impact of shifting an international summit, like for the organizers, the logistics, for all the other leaders attending the G7, it really does say something about like the perceived balance of power within the organization at the moment.

You know, it's a really good question.

I thought it was really smart of Trump to go to all those events early on and just kind of co-op sports.

I mean, I think like from this one single event, you probably get global exposure like nothing you've ever done before, you know, just because it's at the White House and so unique and interesting.

There is some risk.

There is some risk.

I think I'd be willing to take it.

Also, Dana White's a billionaire, so he doesn't care anyway.

He doesn't care, yeah.

I mean, I think there's some risk politically for Trump too, right?

I mean, if we're still kind of like inflation's so high, affordability is tough and like this asshole throwing a giant birthday party and a boxing match on his lawn, like that's not great.

I mean, so it sounds like they're just doing

You know, a huge series of events around the 250th anniversary of the country, which on one level is what you'd expect.

But if it looks overly expensive and gaudy and absurd, I think people are going to be like, do your job.

Have fun, sir.

Step into the octagon yourself.

Finally, we just want to say a big thank you to Andrew Chadwick, our editor on Pod Save the World, who's been doing this for the last five years.

Many weeks, one might say most weeks, Ben.