Ben Rhodes

And like, I didn't point taken on the diaspora is probably, that's not where the leadership's going to come.

Yeah, no, not, not well, but it's also, you know, it does seem like there's some pretty, there's some big debates within the diaspora and sort of infighting that,

sometimes springs up in moments like this.

I mean, are there, can you help us understand those debates?

Like what are, what are the signs?

That's ridiculous.

Last question on the protest.

So, I mean, obviously, if the regime falls, the protesters, the people on the streets deserve all the credit.

But as you know, there will be others, outsiders, rushing to take credit, especially Donald Trump, especially Israeli Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahu.

What role, if any, do you think the Israeli strikes on Iran and Hezbollah and then the U.S.

military strikes on Iran play?

played in kind of maybe emboldening or leading to these protests?

Yeah, right.

All right, let's get to your story that you memorialized both in Prisoner and 544 Days.

Can you just remind people of why you were detained all those years ago and kind of like remind us what happened?

I got to say, it's a great podcast.

It's an amazing story.

It's a story of your time in prison, but it's also a love story.

It's a story about America, kind of all the things that were happening behind the scenes, but also very newly relevant because it surely provides an incredible window into kind of what we're seeing now on the streets and what we're talking about now.

But since then, Jason, you've been...