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Ben Rhodes

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The Rachel Maddow Show
MS NOW's live breaking coverage with Rachel Maddow of U.S. attacks on Iran

And absent from that bizarre statement last night in which he kind of casually referenced the potential deaths of U.S.

The Rachel Maddow Show
MS NOW's live breaking coverage with Rachel Maddow of U.S. attacks on Iran

service members was any notion of what comes after the regime change.

The Rachel Maddow Show
MS NOW's live breaking coverage with Rachel Maddow of U.S. attacks on Iran

You know, he made a call for the Iranian people to rise up.

The Rachel Maddow Show
MS NOW's live breaking coverage with Rachel Maddow of U.S. attacks on Iran

And then what?

The Rachel Maddow Show
MS NOW's live breaking coverage with Rachel Maddow of U.S. attacks on Iran

Because we've seen that even if you decapitate the regime, even if you remove the regime, that often in the case of Iraq, in the case of Libya, in the case of Afghanistan, leads to civil war.

The Rachel Maddow Show
MS NOW's live breaking coverage with Rachel Maddow of U.S. attacks on Iran

They can drag on and have all manner of unintended consequences, human and geopolitical, and with the cost being borne by the American taxpayer.

The Rachel Maddow Show
MS NOW's live breaking coverage with Rachel Maddow of U.S. attacks on Iran

So we are in a deeply, deeply uncertain point here right now.

The Rachel Maddow Show
MS NOW's live breaking coverage with Rachel Maddow of U.S. attacks on Iran

And we don't need to be here.

The Rachel Maddow Show
MS NOW's live breaking coverage with Rachel Maddow of U.S. attacks on Iran

I really can't see it, Rachel, because, look, this isn't like in Venezuela where you took out the leader and essentially left the regime in place.

The Rachel Maddow Show
MS NOW's live breaking coverage with Rachel Maddow of U.S. attacks on Iran

And Delcy Rodriguez, the vice president, becomes president.

The Rachel Maddow Show
MS NOW's live breaking coverage with Rachel Maddow of U.S. attacks on Iran

They are targeting not just the supreme leader.

The Rachel Maddow Show
MS NOW's live breaking coverage with Rachel Maddow of U.S. attacks on Iran

They seem to be targeting all manner of regime targets.

The Rachel Maddow Show
MS NOW's live breaking coverage with Rachel Maddow of U.S. attacks on Iran

So it's not even decapitation.

The Rachel Maddow Show
MS NOW's live breaking coverage with Rachel Maddow of U.S. attacks on Iran

They seem to be trying to to kind of destroy some of the key edifice of the regime itself.

The Rachel Maddow Show
MS NOW's live breaking coverage with Rachel Maddow of U.S. attacks on Iran

And that leads a vacuum in place in Iran.

The Rachel Maddow Show
MS NOW's live breaking coverage with Rachel Maddow of U.S. attacks on Iran

Now, inside of Iran, the people that are most heavily armed and therefore prepared to seize some vacuum are the more hardline Revolutionary Guard Corps.

The Rachel Maddow Show
MS NOW's live breaking coverage with Rachel Maddow of U.S. attacks on Iran

If you look at the only potential

The Rachel Maddow Show
MS NOW's live breaking coverage with Rachel Maddow of U.S. attacks on Iran

play that has been made about some future government.

The Rachel Maddow Show
MS NOW's live breaking coverage with Rachel Maddow of U.S. attacks on Iran

It was outside of the country with some of the engagement with Reza Pahlavi, the son of the former Shah of Iran, who has some support outside the country.

The Rachel Maddow Show
MS NOW's live breaking coverage with Rachel Maddow of U.S. attacks on Iran

But if you talk to analysts inside of Iran, the idea that you're just going to re-import the son of the Shah into a country of 93 million people