Ben Rhodes

So what's President Trump's interest in this?

That's an open question.

Ultimately, what it comes down to is, is there a leadership that's adept enough to manage this on the Cuban side?

And will it be interpreted the right way on the U.S.

side that will they take yes for an answer when yes shows up?

And that's that's a that's an open question.

And in the meantime, you're going to have all the consequences of that being felt and borne by the population in Cuba.

Yeah, look, I mean, and I think that's the that's the real issue.

And a lot of that is overlooked.

I mean, I think people are there's not enough sort of understanding of what that actually means for like ordinary people who, in theory, are the ones who are trying to help.

All right.

Talk soon.

Welcome back to Pod Save the World.

I'm Ben Rhodes.

And right now, Tommy is about 35,000 feet over the Pacific, flying back from Pod Save America's Australia and New Zealand tour.

But with me today to help steer this ship is my friend, Eamon Moyheldin.

Eamon, thanks so much for being here.

So Eamon, if you're not watching, he's the host of The Weekend Primetime, which are Saturdays and Sundays on MSNOW at 6 p.m.

Eastern.

And Eamon, we are now colleagues not just at MS, where I'm a contributor, but now there's this crooked MS.