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Ben Rhodes

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
6794 total appearances

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The Bulwark Podcast
Ben Rhodes: Trump Is Getting a Terrible Deal

On the scale of what we accomplished versus the destruction we wrought, I'm glad this is happening.

The Bulwark Podcast
Ben Rhodes: Trump Is Getting a Terrible Deal

It's better than destroying a civilization and perpetuating the war, but we must keep the perspective here because there's going to be a tremendous amount of propaganda that suggests that somehow this was a great deal when, in fact, this was a deal you could have had

The Bulwark Podcast
Ben Rhodes: Trump Is Getting a Terrible Deal

easily without fighting the war.

The Bulwark Podcast
Ben Rhodes: Trump Is Getting a Terrible Deal

But other than that, pretty good.

The Bulwark Podcast
Ben Rhodes: Trump Is Getting a Terrible Deal

So, I mean, I'm just, you know, I'm glad it's happening.

The Bulwark Podcast
Ben Rhodes: Trump Is Getting a Terrible Deal

I mean, but I can feel what's coming from Trump and his, you know, echo chamber, to use a phrase.

The Bulwark Podcast
Ben Rhodes: Trump Is Getting a Terrible Deal

And I think we just have to look at reality.

The Bulwark Podcast
Ben Rhodes: Trump Is Getting a Terrible Deal

So in terms of what the deal was, in terms of what the US got out of the deal, Iran agreed to strict limitations on the nuclear program.

The Bulwark Podcast
Ben Rhodes: Trump Is Getting a Terrible Deal

So just to go through a few of them, they shipped their stockpile of enriched uranium out of the country.

The Bulwark Podcast
Ben Rhodes: Trump Is Getting a Terrible Deal

So this thing that Trump is going to be touting was routine under the JCPOA.

The Bulwark Podcast
Ben Rhodes: Trump Is Getting a Terrible Deal

Like whatever stockpile they accumulated, they had to ship out 98% of their enriched uranium at any given time.

The Bulwark Podcast
Ben Rhodes: Trump Is Getting a Terrible Deal

And then they submitted- Where would it go?

The Bulwark Podcast
Ben Rhodes: Trump Is Getting a Terrible Deal

It would go to Russia, and it would be blended down, and it would go to Russia.

The Bulwark Podcast
Ben Rhodes: Trump Is Getting a Terrible Deal

And essentially, they would get end use of things like medical isotopes, but they couldn't accumulate the stockpile in their country.

The Bulwark Podcast
Ben Rhodes: Trump Is Getting a Terrible Deal

They destroyed the core of their plutonium reactor, so they kind of wiped out their capacity to pursue a nuclear weapon with plutonium.

The Bulwark Podcast
Ben Rhodes: Trump Is Getting a Terrible Deal

They accepted limitations on the number of centrifuges that they could be operating,

The Bulwark Podcast
Ben Rhodes: Trump Is Getting a Terrible Deal

all of their facilities were under strict monitoring from the International Atomic Energy Agency, the IAEA.

The Bulwark Podcast
Ben Rhodes: Trump Is Getting a Terrible Deal

Not only were there kind of centrifuge facilities at Natanz and Fordow, the two facilities where they operated centrifuges, not only did they have those limitations and have IAEA presence there, including cameras, and it wasn't just people showing up every few weeks.

The Bulwark Podcast
Ben Rhodes: Trump Is Getting a Terrible Deal

It was kind of constant monitoring.

The Bulwark Podcast
Ben Rhodes: Trump Is Getting a Terrible Deal

But there was also monitoring