Ben Rhodes

Well, yeah.

And actually, Eamon, you know, Rubio went on to Hungary to endorse Viktor Orban.

And I'm glad you brought up Ukraine because, you know, there's the rhetoric, but then the substance and the substance there is pretty grim.

And Zelensky showed up.

He tried to talk about new packages of support for Europe ahead of the fourth anniversary of the war.

But really, they're dealing with relentless attacks on their power grid.

Russia and Ukraine met on Tuesday in Switzerland for more talks, but we don't really see an end to the war in sight.

I didn't hear anything in Munich that was optimistic at all about either the battlefield or the talks.

There's a feeling that the U.S.

isn't obviously providing the same kind of assistance that Biden administration did.

And, as you said, I was really struck, Eamon, that when you're in Europe, there are these Russian sabotage operations happening.

I mean, in Poland, the whole shopping mall was burned down by Russian agents.

And, yeah, I met with some Germans who were literally thinking that they're already in an asymmetric war with cyber attacks and sabotage.

I mean, you've been following Ukraine recently.

Where do you see this going?

I mean, do you have any hope for an end of the war in 2026?

I mean, how are you thinking about Ukraine these days?

Yeah.

I mean, it's actually, you know, you mentioned the precedent set by kind of validating the annexation of big chunks of Ukraine.

I mean, maybe that's a precedent for Greenland annexation by the U.S.