Ben Shapiro

I don't think those are quite the same thing.

Not defeat looks like the Strait of Hormuz is at least relatively open.

Even if people are paying small bribes to the Iranian government to move through, the oil starts moving again.

The Iranian government is tremendously weakened.

They don't have enough money to actually pay their IRGC members.

And a year from now, the regime collapses, which I think is all very much within the realm of possibility, given the fact that, again, the entire top level of the regime has been completely destroyed.

Their missile facilities have been destroyed.

Their drone facilities have been destroyed.

Their nuclear facilities will be destroyed before this is over.

And so the question is sort of a timeline one.

We may see a delayed victory in that sense.

A not defeat would be that we do all those things.

And then the Strait of Hormuz is at least passable.

And that is a not defeat.

A clear victory would be something, you know, where we all get to cheer in the streets.

And that would be, for example, the president takes Kharga Island.

The IRGC completely runs out of money.

The people go out in the streets and they take over.

Right.

That's a clear victory.