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Ben Smith

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Trump's War on Blue America

And that was the one where when James Bennett – there was a controversy that I feel like we don't need to revisit involving the opinion editor.

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Trump's War on Blue America

But people were reacting – you can react with emojis and people were reacting with guillotines.

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Trump's War on Blue America

Oh, boy.

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Trump's War on Blue America

Like intended ironically perhaps, but not – I would not say that is collegial.

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Trump's War on Blue America

And when I – at some point somebody complained to the executive editor, Dean Baquet, that my being in the Slack made people unsafe.

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Trump's War on Blue America

because I might write about it.

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Trump's War on Blue America

And he, I thought, quite reasonably.

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Trump's War on Blue America

And this is a sense of like, I don't think, it was not a totally homogenous culture.

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Trump's War on Blue America

He told them, that's ridiculous.

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Trump's War on Blue America

This is a slack with 2,000 people in it.

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Trump's War on Blue America

Of course it's going to leak.

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Trump's War on Blue America

But yeah, I mean, I guess I think that, maybe I don't think it was quite that straightforward, but certainly there was the kind of left-wing political waves and social waves swept through there, swept through all of society.

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Trump's War on Blue America

And I do think it was...

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Trump's War on Blue America

I think the management has spent the last couple of years pushing that back.

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Trump's War on Blue America

I think if you've spent a lot of your career being attacked by strangers on the internet, as I have, you develop a kind of pathologically thick skin to it.

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Trump's War on Blue America

But I don't think you can actually expect other people to act that way.

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Trump's War on Blue America

That's not normal.

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Trump's War on Blue America

If your colleagues are being mean to you, probably you hate it and you're going to quit.

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Trump's War on Blue America

I don't think that's an unreasonable reaction.

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Trump's War on Blue America

So I'm sorry about that.