Ben Smith

We're gonna divert the FBI and these US attorneys from immigration cases, from everything else to redact Epstein files.

When of course Trump was gonna be all over them.

Of course he knew that.

He'd known Epstein for years.

They were friendly.

That was widely reported before he ran for president.

It was all over the tabloids.

And so just an unbelievable kind of unforced error by,

by his team to kind of totally derail, I think, his second term by just dropping this giant bucket of allegations basically on Trump's head.

And he can't really say, I'm going to fire anybody who has a connection with Epstein, because obviously Trump had a closer relationship with Epstein than Luttnick or than anybody else here.

they were never investigated and i think a lot of people have concern about that but look i i think what people are recognizing well let me i just i actually just for what it's worth i disagree with you on that i mean you think the biden justice department participated in a years-long cover-up of donald trump's crimes i think these are these huge dump of files that were probably they were part of one of the biggest investigations in american history and the reason nobody got indicted is because they couldn't find anybody to indict

Well, I think that there was an active- I realize this may be a dissenting view.

I mean, I guess I think that they're just the allegations being thrown around the Epstein files.

You've just got to really root them in evidence.

And I just see no reason to believe that the Biden FBI was involved in an extensive cover-up of crimes at Mar-a-Lago.

That just seems unlikely to me.

Yeah, I feel like you're trying to turn me into Donald Trump's lawyer here, Ben.

I'm not.

I just think that there are a lot of... No, no, but I think we can probably agree that, like,

the people around Trump really should have known better than to unseal this particular Pandora's box, which just flew right into their own faces in just really an incredible way.