Ben Smith

Yeah, and I think there are questions that, I mean, I think partly because Trump genuinely, admittedly, publicly had this friendship with Epstein, it just becomes, it's just so hard for him to ever disentangle from this.

I mean, it's just a sort of unsolvable political problem for him, I think.

No doubt.

thank you all for for joining us um and i actually wanted to start you uh you or your you tweeted last or posted last night all right this was this was the tweet the the conversation and yes thank you for joining us governor thank you so much to the web for hosting this this is the conversation that donald trump tried to cancel don't miss it 11 30 pacific thank you to our

Pacific Time viewers.

In fact, this is a different conversation.

In the WEF's defense, it was the privately run USA House, which is endorsed by the State Department, funded by big American companies, which did pull an event with you with Fortune yesterday.

And I guess I wondered, to begin with, what does that tell you about the way the US private sector, which is really very heavily represented here, is addressing this political moment?

But I would say this was not, just to be clear, this was a private enterprise endorsed by the State Department.

But these are a lot of decisions that are being made by private companies right now.

This is a capital, this is probably the central global gathering of CEOs.

And I guess I wonder if you can give me a review of how you see these folks.

And you know your way around this world.

How do you see those people behaving?

Governor, how do you balance?

Good morning, everybody.

Sorry.

Yeah.

I figured we would... Yeah.

You're a tough interview, Governor.