Ben Smith

So like, but I don't know, when you were in the White House, did you, like how did you think about kind of controlling President Obama's access to information?

Yeah, but I do.

And I do think in a weird way, this is a return to a more traditional kind of presidency where he is trapped in an information bubble.

Like, I feel like he used to routinely tweet about mourning Joe.

Yeah, he used to hate watch more because I think there was like, it was just Fox and then a bunch of stuff he hated.

But now he's got OAN and Newsmax and all sorts of stuff on social that he can watch.

Once in a while, like a Democratic senator made their way onto Fox yesterday morning and he freaked out about it on Truth Social and demanded that they not let Brian Schatz back on there to lie about him.

But I think that actually almost is an indication of what you said, that he's not –

He's not rage tweeting the sort of, he's not hate watching anymore, which in a way, like, I mean, I guess it seems like he is all of us, right?

Like the sort of experience of the media between 2015 and 2020 was that this social media machines were so good at finding the worst thing that the people you dislike had said and just like shoving it in your face.

And the new TikTok world is like, no, you just get like pleasing stuff that affirms your prejudices all day.

That's right.

She's very concerned.

I think she is somebody who thinks a lot about how you get information to Donald Trump and has seen herself boxed out a bit by

by White House staff, although she finds her ways to get to him directly.

I mean, but the one thing is it used to be that like influencers, like right-wing influencers who had like a really good fastball could just sort of like get in front of him by tweeting stuff and like getting retweeted and going viral.

And now you have to be like, the only two people I think can really do it just because by just absolute like intensity and velocity and saying such intense stuff on social media is

are her and the kind of mag-illegal figure Mike Davis, who denounces judges very heatedly.

And I think that stuff makes its way to him.

But I think the rest of the sort of right-wing Twitter sphere is like really having trouble kind of making their way into Trump's personal consciousness.