Ben van Kerkwyk

Yeah, radical measures.

Well, because it's federally scheduled one.

It's supposed to have no medical use whatsoever and the most dangerous and addictive of compounds.

I think the problem is politically it's very difficult to say what you're saying if you are anyone who is running for office or anyone who's currently seeking re-election, right?

Because it carries with this taboo, this narrative that has existed since the 1970s that these are drugs that are ruining people's lives and it's going to waste – you're just going to waste away.

It's going to –

You're just escaping reality.

They're for weak people.

They're for losers and addicts.

It's a public narrative that's out there that unfortunately it's going to take a long time to turn that battleship around.

Well, the issue is that police officers experience trauma on a daily basis that most people can't even comprehend.

And it's not discussed.

All that's ever discussed with police officers is when a cop does something bad.

Yeah, it's an unspoken trauma.

It's an unspoken issue that

you know, was really exacerbated during this whole defund the police shit that was going on a few years back.

Then you've got the demoralization, you know, and the fact that these people, not only are they not appreciated, but then they've been all turned into villains.

That's right.

Yeah, they were used as political pawns.

And, you know, openly, openly by politicians who are still in office.