Ben van Kerkwyk

It was pretty disgusting.

And just short-sighted and a complete lack of awareness of the difficulty of the job because –

If you're around cops, if you know cops, it is an insane job.

It's an insane job that you're asking people, just regular people, to go out and do on a daily basis.

So from your first introduction to this idea of psychedelic therapy.

how long before you actually experience it and how long before you actually help other people experience it?

Take us through.

So you find out about this, you bring it to the department.

Yeah, the red one's the one that lets you see reality.

Okay, so I'm flipping the colors.

Is that really what they said?

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