Ben van Kerkwyk

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Well, isn't there also an issue with doing double-blind placebo-controlled studies?

Because it's very clear whether or not you've taken the drug.

Because obviously MDMA has profound impacts on soldiers with PTSD.

The studies have already been very clear, and MAPS has done an amazing job in explaining all that.

But the problem is a perception issue.

Okay.

And that this drug is also used by people who go to raves and wind up dying of heat exhaustion.

Right.

And people die because they hear they die of an overdose, which really they die of fentanyl poisoning because they're getting illegally sourced MDMA, which is probably not even really MDMA.

A lot of times it's amphetamines, and it's cut with fentanyl, and there's a lot of other shit in it, and they wind up dying of an overdose.

Well, the real barrier is the fact that it's illegal.

The problem is there is a demand.

And so when you have a demand and then you make it illegal for people to access, then what happens is outlaws step in and you get criminal organizations who sell it and they don't give a fuck about you.