Ben van Kerkwyk

There it is.

And they're used to killing people.

They don't mind poisoning you and...

They don't mind if they're selling you something that's totally not what you're trying to get.

Really?

When you say you aren't allowed to, is it because it will hinder your career?

I think so.

Yes.

Well, I think we're in a very unique time now where the door is open.

And credit to Rick Perry, former Republican governor of Texas, who championed the Ibogaine initiative here.

And it's now become a thing.

They're going to start doing that, which is amazing and so beneficial for soldiers in particular, people with extreme PTSD and people that are suffering from severe drug addictions.

And they don't understand why.

And they're just they're just fucked.

A lot of soldiers and a lot of, you know, really traditionally right wing people are getting involved in psychedelics.

They're going to psychedelic retreats.

A lot of other soldiers that have had positive experiences and have gotten help are reaching out to their brothers and sisters, bringing them into these experiences.

That's right.

So instead of this narrative that psychedelics are for hippies and losers with no discipline, now you've got some of the most disciplined human beings on earth who are seeking these things out for help.

That's right.