Ben van Kerkwyk

Yeah.

And it went sideways.

And I think it was probably because the culture that had already been firmly established in that place

They condoned open-air drug markets, people that were addicted to fentanyl and opiates out on the street and methamphetamines out on the street, using them constantly, no education.

And then they just sort of opened the doors for everything.

And then people went there specifically because they could do these things.

And also be subsidized.

Right.

But when you've already got people openly camping out on the streets and littering everywhere and like what they've already allowed, unfortunately, they need to clean that up first before they can say we're going to decriminalize everything.

Because you've already allowed people to do something that –

you know, publicly is frowned upon to just like be shitting on the street and to, you know, open drug use everywhere.

Have people camped out, homeless people like covering up sidewalks where you can't get around and there's needles everywhere and it's like garbage everywhere.

But they're not doing anything about that.

Like has any state ever incorporated some sort of successful program where they gave people safe supply and then counseling and got like a percentage of them off drugs and healthy?

Yeah.

When you also can't impose it on all the rest of society by allowing people to just camp out everywhere on the streets.

But that would require like a fundamental shift to progressive ideology.

They'd have to like change the way they view cops.

Hmm.

Well, that's hopeful.