Ben van Kerkwyk

There seems to be depictions of saber-toothed tigers and smilodons

in some of the artwork there.

They say they're all pumas, but some of them have small canines, some of them have really big canines.

I mean, why is there a difference here?

He dates it culturally in terms of it being the origin point for not only other cultures in South America, but also Central and North America through the symbology, the chicanas, the Incan cross, there's all these other features.

So he used a whole raft of scientific techniques to date that site.

And to support his conclusion that it was vastly ancient.

And then that's kind of all been thrown aside because they found a few carbon remains that were at the 1100 AD mark.

Why would you build a civilization there at that altitude?

You wouldn't.

You just wouldn't.

It's too hard.

It's above the tree line.

There's no natural trees.

And this is, it gets wacky because-

Today, Tiwanaga was a port.

They admit, even the archaeologists, they talk about Pumapunku, it's like a port.

There was something industrial happening there.

The stone, if you look at Poznanski's original images, there's all sorts of interlocking bits of stone and sluice gates and hydrodynamic features on this place.

There's a giant step pyramid that had this reservoir in the center.