Ben Wilson

I'm interested in this, though, because I agree completely. And you're so open and generous. And you talked about podcasting is like filmmaking. It's not zero-sum. It's collaborative. But one of the things you've been talking a lot about recently is secrets and the power of secrets. So how do you kind of square those two ideas, right?

Because it's kind of the idea of secrets and having powerful secrets is kind of the opposite of what you're talking about.

Because it's kind of the idea of secrets and having powerful secrets is kind of the opposite of what you're talking about.

It's the most relationship driven medium by far.

It's the most relationship driven medium by far.

I think there's, like, a big... Like one of the problems with this is, so for example, I play tennis, okay? And I was playing tennis at the local college on some of their courts. And the college players were playing next to me. And so they play at BYU. It's a Division I program, really good tennis players. And when you watch those guys, they are moving so fast. They're hitting the ball so hard.

I think there's, like, a big... Like one of the problems with this is, so for example, I play tennis, okay? And I was playing tennis at the local college on some of their courts. And the college players were playing next to me. And so they play at BYU. It's a Division I program, really good tennis players. And when you watch those guys, they are moving so fast. They're hitting the ball so hard.

They're running so hard. You can really tell, right? And you're like, whoa, I could never do this. I could never compete on that level. Then I go watch. I went to the U.S. Open and I'm watching Djokovic and Nadal, the best tennis players in the world. And they are so good. They're so good. They're so much better than the guys I was playing next to at the BYU courts that it changes all of a sudden.

They're running so hard. You can really tell, right? And you're like, whoa, I could never do this. I could never compete on that level. Then I go watch. I went to the U.S. Open and I'm watching Djokovic and Nadal, the best tennis players in the world. And they are so good. They're so good. They're so much better than the guys I was playing next to at the BYU courts that it changes all of a sudden.

I look at Nadal and I'm like, I bet you I could play with him. But I obviously know I can't. But in my head, because he makes it look so effortless that you're like, oh, I could do that. And it's the same thing. When people are at the very top, when they're looking at someone like Rogan, they're like, I think I could do that because he makes it look effortless.

I look at Nadal and I'm like, I bet you I could play with him. But I obviously know I can't. But in my head, because he makes it look so effortless that you're like, oh, I could do that. And it's the same thing. When people are at the very top, when they're looking at someone like Rogan, they're like, I think I could do that because he makes it look effortless.

But the truth is he's a top 0.00001% conversationalist. And the same is true of Jordi and Coogan that like they're really talented and they're actually so talented that it can sometimes hide just how talented they are. And so people think they can do things that they can't do.

But the truth is he's a top 0.00001% conversationalist. And the same is true of Jordi and Coogan that like they're really talented and they're actually so talented that it can sometimes hide just how talented they are. And so people think they can do things that they can't do.

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human nature to want to conform and to want to be part of consensus and a group and to want to be led and if you're like that you should not be a founder I think that's true what do you but there now there's a lot of status with being a founder which there didn't used to be but now there is so how like I find it's a tricky thing a lot with people who are like I want to be a founder and