Ben Wilson

human nature to want to conform and to want to be part of consensus and a group and to want to be led and if you're like that you should not be a founder I think that's true what do you but there now there's a lot of status with being a founder which there didn't used to be but now there is so how like I find it's a tricky thing a lot with people who are like I want to be a founder and

But you can just tell in their disposition, it's like, no, you don't.

But you can just tell in their disposition, it's like, no, you don't.

You mentioned rule number two. What's rule number one of the center family?

You mentioned rule number two. What's rule number one of the center family?

So you mentioned Djokovic and you've done a few founders episodes on people who are not strictly founders of businesses, right? So you've done Winston Churchill. You've done Napoleon. Who else have you done that's not strictly a business?

So you mentioned Djokovic and you've done a few founders episodes on people who are not strictly founders of businesses, right? So you've done Winston Churchill. You've done Napoleon. Who else have you done that's not strictly a business?

I did Michael Jordan. I've done Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Tiger Woods. Yeah. Yeah. Have you done Da Vinci? Yeah. Episode 15, but it's not good. Well, the reason, because you talked about like these people, these are the same personality types, conquerors and founders. And I have found, you know, as I've done a bunch of these episodes, a lot of them have very similar personality types.

I did Michael Jordan. I've done Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Tiger Woods. Yeah. Yeah. Have you done Da Vinci? Yeah. Episode 15, but it's not good. Well, the reason, because you talked about like these people, these are the same personality types, conquerors and founders. And I have found, you know, as I've done a bunch of these episodes, a lot of them have very similar personality types.

Da Vinci was the first one I read where I was like, Now, this is different. One of these things is not like the others. This is a brain that I don't even know what to do with. Your brain functions differently than anyone I've read about. What did you think made it... Give me an example. Or elaborate on that. So, for example... Like what we were just talking about.

Da Vinci was the first one I read where I was like, Now, this is different. One of these things is not like the others. This is a brain that I don't even know what to do with. Your brain functions differently than anyone I've read about. What did you think made it... Give me an example. Or elaborate on that. So, for example... Like what we were just talking about.

He was so relentlessly curious that there's no way he could have done the same thing for 30 years straight. Right. Yeah. I actually couldn't see him really being... You could see him being a successful founder just because he's so damn smart. He's so smart. But he could never be a great founder like a Steve Jobs because he had too much curiosity and not enough focus.

He was so relentlessly curious that there's no way he could have done the same thing for 30 years straight. Right. Yeah. I actually couldn't see him really being... You could see him being a successful founder just because he's so damn smart. He's so smart. But he could never be a great founder like a Steve Jobs because he had too much curiosity and not enough focus.

One of my favorite parts of the life of Edison is really early on, he's a telegraph operator. He's actually still working, but he's

One of my favorite parts of the life of Edison is really early on, he's a telegraph operator. He's actually still working, but he's

inventing at the same time and he's totally obsessed with inventing and his family like is worried about him because he's like not bathing regularly and he's just like not sleeping and he's totally haggard and he's like selling his possessions in order to get more materials to invent with and it just dawned on me like wow this person is an addict he's an actual addict like if you substituted inventing with just

inventing at the same time and he's totally obsessed with inventing and his family like is worried about him because he's like not bathing regularly and he's just like not sleeping and he's totally haggard and he's like selling his possessions in order to get more materials to invent with and it just dawned on me like wow this person is an addict he's an actual addict like if you substituted inventing with just

meth or heroin or anything else, I can be very clear what he is. It just happens to be that he's addicted to something that's very productive. But it's probably not, like, actually a well-adjusted person from that regard. Like, do you think it's possible to be a great, great founder and be just normal and well-adjusted?

meth or heroin or anything else, I can be very clear what he is. It just happens to be that he's addicted to something that's very productive. But it's probably not, like, actually a well-adjusted person from that regard. Like, do you think it's possible to be a great, great founder and be just normal and well-adjusted?

I think you're a nice person. I don't think you're a normal person. Okay.