Ben Wilson

It was like the shark, what I do, even if it tried to introspect, it doesn't know, you know, like all it knows is it smells blood and like, please stop sticking a microphone in my face. Cause I need to eat, you know? And I think that's true of like, When people find the thing that they were born to do, it's really hard to get them to think about why that is.

I don't even know that they have insight on it.

I don't even know that they have insight on it.

Yeah, that's, it's interesting. Do you have like one or two people that you really think of that these stories have really stuck with you and you feel like you resonate with them and this is someone that you feel like their soul is like yours in some way and you really want to be like them?

Yeah, that's, it's interesting. Do you have like one or two people that you really think of that these stories have really stuck with you and you feel like you resonate with them and this is someone that you feel like their soul is like yours in some way and you really want to be like them?

Are you trying to get private jet money? You believe that this is the next?

Are you trying to get private jet money? You believe that this is the next?

I like, and I guess this is part of the wonder of entrepreneurship is that like, and just life in general is people will get interested in stuff that I would just never be interested in and that's okay. And, uh, if, if Todd, uh, what's his name? Todd Grace. Yeah. Like, he has a chicken finger dream. And in my head, I think, why? Who cares?

I like, and I guess this is part of the wonder of entrepreneurship is that like, and just life in general is people will get interested in stuff that I would just never be interested in and that's okay. And, uh, if, if Todd, uh, what's his name? Todd Grace. Yeah. Like, he has a chicken finger dream. And in my head, I think, why? Who cares?

And it almost boggles my mind that you're not in it for the money. Why are you not in it for the money? At the end of your life, you're going to die. And Raising Cane's apparently makes good chicken strips. But you're going to leave behind a bunch of fast food restaurants that more or less resemble... The Chick-fil-A across the street. And that was your dream?

And it almost boggles my mind that you're not in it for the money. Why are you not in it for the money? At the end of your life, you're going to die. And Raising Cane's apparently makes good chicken strips. But you're going to leave behind a bunch of fast food restaurants that more or less resemble... The Chick-fil-A across the street. And that was your dream?

To me though, I almost feel like it's a symptom of a sick world that I read these stories of people, Horatio Nelson and Napoleon, Alexander Hamilton. And I'm like, yeah, that's what a noble life is supposed to look like. Founding something that really lasts and endures and is beautiful and is a part of your identity.

To me though, I almost feel like it's a symptom of a sick world that I read these stories of people, Horatio Nelson and Napoleon, Alexander Hamilton. And I'm like, yeah, that's what a noble life is supposed to look like. Founding something that really lasts and endures and is beautiful and is a part of your identity.

And people like Todd Graves are probably have that quality of spirit, but live in a sort of sick world where instead of building something like a city or a country or something truly beautiful and enduring, they have to have a chicken finger dream.

And people like Todd Graves are probably have that quality of spirit, but live in a sort of sick world where instead of building something like a city or a country or something truly beautiful and enduring, they have to have a chicken finger dream.

It's interesting to me. Like I, so I'm doing an episode on Coco Chanel and I've been researching her story. And to me, she is emblematic of, She's an entrepreneur who's very successful, becomes very wealthy, and she's having all of these dalliances and affairs.

It's interesting to me. Like I, so I'm doing an episode on Coco Chanel and I've been researching her story. And to me, she is emblematic of, She's an entrepreneur who's very successful, becomes very wealthy, and she's having all of these dalliances and affairs.

It's like gold. But to me, it's interesting because she's also obviously attracted to... the power and the allure of old world aristocracy, right? She's always having these affairs with these barons and counts and British royalty and Russian royalty.

It's like gold. But to me, it's interesting because she's also obviously attracted to... the power and the allure of old world aristocracy, right? She's always having these affairs with these barons and counts and British royalty and Russian royalty.

To me, there's this interesting tension of like, she comes along at the time, which is sort of turn of the 20th century and into World War I, where the old... You know, the aristocratic classes... really were driven by conquest. These were often descendants of the Norman invaders who'd come to England, taken it with the sword, and then said, we own the land now, and we get the money from it.