Ben Wilson

I have to say. I guess that's my point. It doesn't matter what he does with the money because... Living a beautiful life is the whole sum of all of it.

hoist the black flag, take a knife between your teeth, start slitting throats. Your life could be so much more than this. Why aren't you doing that? Why aren't you doing that then? Um, because I'm not that guy.

hoist the black flag, take a knife between your teeth, start slitting throats. Your life could be so much more than this. Why aren't you doing that? Why aren't you doing that then? Um, because I'm not that guy.

And the, but I, what I am trying to do, that's why at the end of the day, and I know I talked to you about maybe changing the name of the podcast, but at the end of the day, that's why I've never changed it is because that's what I really believe in is, uh, is taking over the world. And I'm not that guy. Like I can read about Caesar and just look at him and say, his character is not like mine.

And the, but I, what I am trying to do, that's why at the end of the day, and I know I talked to you about maybe changing the name of the podcast, but at the end of the day, that's why I've never changed it is because that's what I really believe in is, uh, is taking over the world. And I'm not that guy. Like I can read about Caesar and just look at him and say, his character is not like mine.

I could never be Caesar. If you threw me in that position, it'd be very bad for everyone involved, including myself. Um, but I, but I, I think, um, I want to, I'm very attracted to that type of personality and that type of person and that type of vision. And I want to inspire others to take that on. What do you mean by you look at the world artistically?

I could never be Caesar. If you threw me in that position, it'd be very bad for everyone involved, including myself. Um, but I, but I, I think, um, I want to, I'm very attracted to that type of personality and that type of person and that type of vision. And I want to inspire others to take that on. What do you mean by you look at the world artistically?

I think good and bad is ultimately an aesthetic judgment. Like, people try and quantify it. You know, you've heard of effective altruists who are like, ooh, if I can chart the number of lives saved, then the best life is that which saves the most number of lives. Like, no, there's no value by which you can judge what is good and bad. It is a judgment of taste, ultimately. And so...

I think good and bad is ultimately an aesthetic judgment. Like, people try and quantify it. You know, you've heard of effective altruists who are like, ooh, if I can chart the number of lives saved, then the best life is that which saves the most number of lives. Like, no, there's no value by which you can judge what is good and bad. It is a judgment of taste, ultimately. And so...

I think everything is artistic. Like it can only be said to be good or bad off of, off of taste. I find it beautiful is the ultimate judgment. I think on anything.

I think everything is artistic. Like it can only be said to be good or bad off of, off of taste. I find it beautiful is the ultimate judgment. I think on anything.

Yeah. Which is to say, if I didn't think that what I was building was beautiful, you know, I talk about how all these people are essentially addicted, right? And they happen to be at least beneficial addictions, right? But if at the end of the day, it doesn't create something beautiful, then it really is just an addiction. Even if it makes you money. That's the way I see it, right?

Yeah. Which is to say, if I didn't think that what I was building was beautiful, you know, I talk about how all these people are essentially addicted, right? And they happen to be at least beneficial addictions, right? But if at the end of the day, it doesn't create something beautiful, then it really is just an addiction. Even if it makes you money. That's the way I see it, right?

Which, you know, that's why I'm attracted to most of all founders like Phil Knight, Steve Jobs, because for them, it's not just about making money for sure. And it's not even just about building business. They have to create something beautiful.

Which, you know, that's why I'm attracted to most of all founders like Phil Knight, Steve Jobs, because for them, it's not just about making money for sure. And it's not even just about building business. They have to create something beautiful.

I find that you have created a very beautiful product in Founders, even though it's so Spartan, right? No intro music. The cover art is literally black background, white text, Founders. Did you create that background, by the way, that cover art?

I find that you have created a very beautiful product in Founders, even though it's so Spartan, right? No intro music. The cover art is literally black background, white text, Founders. Did you create that background, by the way, that cover art?

That's amazing. That's amazing. You just looked at some fonts and you're like, that looks good. Right, founders?

That's amazing. That's amazing. You just looked at some fonts and you're like, that looks good. Right, founders?

Yeah.