Ben Wilson

Yeah.

Well, I just think that like I do think that what you do is like extremely worthwhile because I find I'm just interested in how much you put thought into that versus what it comes naturally to you. And it just from what you said, it sounds like it comes very naturally to you.

Well, I just think that like I do think that what you do is like extremely worthwhile because I find I'm just interested in how much you put thought into that versus what it comes naturally to you. And it just from what you said, it sounds like it comes very naturally to you.

sort of early modernism they talked about a spiritus mundi the spirit world and they felt like there was a spirit world of ideas images music whatever that they were accessing and um and they felt inspired by it do you ever feel inspired do you do you think do you even think about the world in that way are you do you are you a spiritual person at all spiritual i don't know um

sort of early modernism they talked about a spiritus mundi the spirit world and they felt like there was a spirit world of ideas images music whatever that they were accessing and um and they felt inspired by it do you ever feel inspired do you do you think do you even think about the world in that way are you do you are you a spiritual person at all spiritual i don't know um

So your, like, moments of inspiration when they come, they come from just those moments of – And you feel like it comes from your subconscious.

So your, like, moments of inspiration when they come, they come from just those moments of – And you feel like it comes from your subconscious.

One of the, I just, I was just relistening to an episode that I did about Napoleon and I was really struck that, you know, he's a French revolutionary, kind of very atheistic, uh, very irreligious, uh,

One of the, I just, I was just relistening to an episode that I did about Napoleon and I was really struck that, you know, he's a French revolutionary, kind of very atheistic, uh, very irreligious, uh,

or unreligious I don't know if there's a difference there but he really believed so strongly in destiny and destiny was kind of his god and he just really believed that his life had a purpose that destiny was carrying him towards and really his belief in a higher power and it struck me that Steve Jobs was very similar that he was kind of atheistic kind of buddhist but did not have a strong belief in god

or unreligious I don't know if there's a difference there but he really believed so strongly in destiny and destiny was kind of his god and he just really believed that his life had a purpose that destiny was carrying him towards and really his belief in a higher power and it struck me that Steve Jobs was very similar that he was kind of atheistic kind of buddhist but did not have a strong belief in god

but really believed that a higher power was kind of carrying him towards something. And I think that's true of a lot of these people. Even if they don't believe in God, they have to believe in some higher power that's carrying them towards some end. Do you admire that? I really, I, not only do I admire it, I think I find it necessary for truly great action. So Todd Gray's belief is, God.

but really believed that a higher power was kind of carrying him towards something. And I think that's true of a lot of these people. Even if they don't believe in God, they have to believe in some higher power that's carrying them towards some end. Do you admire that? I really, I, not only do I admire it, I think I find it necessary for truly great action. So Todd Gray's belief is, God.

You segued perfectly into the last thing I want to ask you. You talked about this guy, radio show, huge public influence, starts his own show, becomes governor. When is David Sender running for governor of Florida?

You segued perfectly into the last thing I want to ask you. You talked about this guy, radio show, huge public influence, starts his own show, becomes governor. When is David Sender running for governor of Florida?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, I support you, Dave, whether you choose to run for governor or not. If you run for governor, I will support you, but I think you're making the right choice.

Well, I support you, Dave, whether you choose to run for governor or not. If you run for governor, I will support you, but I think you're making the right choice.

No, I actually feel the exact same way that you do. I could not echo what you said anymore of like, what would be the point at this point? I really admire men like Alexander Hamilton, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, George Washington. Yeah. And you do have to say, I do admire people like Trump and Obama a little bit. At least start a movement.