Ben Wilson

Yeah. Which is to say, if I didn't think that what I was building was beautiful, you know, I talk about how all these people are essentially addicted, right? And they happen to be at least beneficial addictions, right? But if at the end of the day, it doesn't create something beautiful, then it really is just an addiction. Even if it makes you money. That's the way I see it, right?

Yeah. Which is to say, if I didn't think that what I was building was beautiful, you know, I talk about how all these people are essentially addicted, right? And they happen to be at least beneficial addictions, right? But if at the end of the day, it doesn't create something beautiful, then it really is just an addiction. Even if it makes you money. That's the way I see it, right?

Which, you know, that's why I'm attracted to most of all founders like Phil Knight, Steve Jobs, because for them, it's not just about making money for sure. And it's not even just about building business. They have to create something beautiful.

Which, you know, that's why I'm attracted to most of all founders like Phil Knight, Steve Jobs, because for them, it's not just about making money for sure. And it's not even just about building business. They have to create something beautiful.

I find that you have created a very beautiful product in Founders, even though it's so Spartan, right? No intro music. The cover art is literally black background, white text, Founders. Did you create that background, by the way, that cover art?

I find that you have created a very beautiful product in Founders, even though it's so Spartan, right? No intro music. The cover art is literally black background, white text, Founders. Did you create that background, by the way, that cover art?

That's amazing. That's amazing. You just looked at some fonts and you're like, that looks good. Right, founders?

That's amazing. That's amazing. You just looked at some fonts and you're like, that looks good. Right, founders?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, I just think that like I do think that what you do is like extremely worthwhile because I find I'm just interested in how much you put thought into that versus what it comes naturally to you. And it just from what you said, it sounds like it comes very naturally to you.

Well, I just think that like I do think that what you do is like extremely worthwhile because I find I'm just interested in how much you put thought into that versus what it comes naturally to you. And it just from what you said, it sounds like it comes very naturally to you.

sort of early modernism they talked about a spiritus mundi the spirit world and they felt like there was a spirit world of ideas images music whatever that they were accessing and um and they felt inspired by it do you ever feel inspired do you do you think do you even think about the world in that way are you do you are you a spiritual person at all spiritual i don't know um

sort of early modernism they talked about a spiritus mundi the spirit world and they felt like there was a spirit world of ideas images music whatever that they were accessing and um and they felt inspired by it do you ever feel inspired do you do you think do you even think about the world in that way are you do you are you a spiritual person at all spiritual i don't know um

So your, like, moments of inspiration when they come, they come from just those moments of – And you feel like it comes from your subconscious.

So your, like, moments of inspiration when they come, they come from just those moments of – And you feel like it comes from your subconscious.

One of the, I just, I was just relistening to an episode that I did about Napoleon and I was really struck that, you know, he's a French revolutionary, kind of very atheistic, uh, very irreligious, uh,

One of the, I just, I was just relistening to an episode that I did about Napoleon and I was really struck that, you know, he's a French revolutionary, kind of very atheistic, uh, very irreligious, uh,

or unreligious I don't know if there's a difference there but he really believed so strongly in destiny and destiny was kind of his god and he just really believed that his life had a purpose that destiny was carrying him towards and really his belief in a higher power and it struck me that Steve Jobs was very similar that he was kind of atheistic kind of buddhist but did not have a strong belief in god

or unreligious I don't know if there's a difference there but he really believed so strongly in destiny and destiny was kind of his god and he just really believed that his life had a purpose that destiny was carrying him towards and really his belief in a higher power and it struck me that Steve Jobs was very similar that he was kind of atheistic kind of buddhist but did not have a strong belief in god